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		<title>By: FenderBender</title>
		<link>https://www.autobodyfaq.com/2008/01/20/holding-your-vehicle-hostage/comment-page-1/#comment-968</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FenderBender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 23:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t let this author bend your ear , they are obviously leaning towards the insurance company perspective. If their is one thing you take away from this article it should be; Insurance companies are not fair, nor honest. Google Allstate &quot;unfair practices&quot; or look for insurance consumer complaints-these guys are here to make money.Period. Why can every major insurance company pay a dividend on their stocks? Making money.

So why should a body shop or a tow company let the major insurance company dictate their prices? Seems insurance companies tell you what you pay them.....then tell you what they pay you. Wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t let this author bend your ear , they are obviously leaning towards the insurance company perspective. If their is one thing you take away from this article it should be; Insurance companies are not fair, nor honest. Google Allstate &#8220;unfair practices&#8221; or look for insurance consumer complaints-these guys are here to make money.Period. Why can every major insurance company pay a dividend on their stocks? Making money.</p>
<p>So why should a body shop or a tow company let the major insurance company dictate their prices? Seems insurance companies tell you what you pay them&#8230;..then tell you what they pay you. Wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kurt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 01:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The insurance companies direct repair programs have shop so afraid of losing a direct repair account that not only do repairs suffer but the relationship between the insurance company and shop does.  That relationship becomes, you do what the insurance company wants and repair the car how they say to or lose the account.  As soon as a disagreement happens with adj. the first call or nasty email will have the threat of losing there account with statements like &quot;I&#039;m sure blank shop would be happy to do the repair&quot; or the best one being y&quot;our agreement says&quot;.  I don&#039;t think the agreement says for us to work under such pressure!  The cycle times have become so unrealistic for quality repairs and that goes back to the &quot;well blank shop will do it&quot;, sure they will, there is always going to be hack shops trying to get DRPs by promising what they want to hear.  DRP shops are being forced into rushing jobs, repairing things that should be replaced and aftermarket parts that don&#039;t fit as good as OEM.  We spend more time fitting aftermarket parts to make it acceptable and we cannot charge for this.  I&#039;ve been in this business since childhood over 30yrs and even though our shop has 5 DRPs I think it&#039;s the worst thing that has ever happened to the consumer.  Let&#039;s face it, if an insured does not choose one of the ins. company&#039;s DRPs they are penalized with &quot;sorry that&#039;s the shop you chose&quot; that&#039;s in reality forcing them to use DRP&#039;s without saying it.  We also do work for non directs and give them the same warranty and customer service as well as work with the insurance company without any problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The insurance companies direct repair programs have shop so afraid of losing a direct repair account that not only do repairs suffer but the relationship between the insurance company and shop does.  That relationship becomes, you do what the insurance company wants and repair the car how they say to or lose the account.  As soon as a disagreement happens with adj. the first call or nasty email will have the threat of losing there account with statements like &#8220;I&#8217;m sure blank shop would be happy to do the repair&#8221; or the best one being y&#8221;our agreement says&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t think the agreement says for us to work under such pressure!  The cycle times have become so unrealistic for quality repairs and that goes back to the &#8220;well blank shop will do it&#8221;, sure they will, there is always going to be hack shops trying to get DRPs by promising what they want to hear.  DRP shops are being forced into rushing jobs, repairing things that should be replaced and aftermarket parts that don&#8217;t fit as good as OEM.  We spend more time fitting aftermarket parts to make it acceptable and we cannot charge for this.  I&#8217;ve been in this business since childhood over 30yrs and even though our shop has 5 DRPs I think it&#8217;s the worst thing that has ever happened to the consumer.  Let&#8217;s face it, if an insured does not choose one of the ins. company&#8217;s DRPs they are penalized with &#8220;sorry that&#8217;s the shop you chose&#8221; that&#8217;s in reality forcing them to use DRP&#8217;s without saying it.  We also do work for non directs and give them the same warranty and customer service as well as work with the insurance company without any problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am dealing with the same exact problem with AAA-1 Auto Body in Hicksville, NY.
These people are crooks.
I have a 18 year old daughter who has had 3 open-heart surgeries, one very recently.
This company is immorally holding my vehicle hostage too!
This is insurance fraud and why does our local govermental agencys allow this ongoing criminal practice is beyond me.
Anyone out there that can help PLEASE email me. My daughter needs this vehicle too for Dr. visits and AAA-1 has on purpose let car sit in limbo to let rental car allowance run out. Textbook insurance fraud!!!
These companies should have their licenses revoked.
Anyone that can help midgad@aol.com
This body shop is holding my car hostage and against my will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am dealing with the same exact problem with AAA-1 Auto Body in Hicksville, NY.<br />
These people are crooks.<br />
I have a 18 year old daughter who has had 3 open-heart surgeries, one very recently.<br />
This company is immorally holding my vehicle hostage too!<br />
This is insurance fraud and why does our local govermental agencys allow this ongoing criminal practice is beyond me.<br />
Anyone out there that can help PLEASE email me. My daughter needs this vehicle too for Dr. visits and AAA-1 has on purpose let car sit in limbo to let rental car allowance run out. Textbook insurance fraud!!!<br />
These companies should have their licenses revoked.<br />
Anyone that can help <a href="mailto:midgad@aol.com">midgad@aol.com</a><br />
This body shop is holding my car hostage and against my will.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana G.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dana G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 21:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To whomever may read this comment:

Amber is absolutely correct in her presentation of facts.  I work for a collision repair facility that is considered to be one of the finest and most reputable collision repair facilities in the nation.  We cannot, nor do we want to be a direct repair for all insurance companies.  Some insurance companies are not looking out for the interest of their customers, they are only looking to make a profit and that is their primary M.O./concern.  

Naturally, collision repair facilities are looking to make a profit as well.  What concerns me is an insurance company that tries to make a profit is seen as business-minded, but a collision repair shop that tries to make a profit is seen as crooked?  All reputable businesses are started with the intention of being profitable and prosperous.  

We are never in the habit of holding a vehicle hostage.  Unfortunately, more often than not, we are shorted payment on the bill by certain insurance companies we are not contracted with.  We do not bill the customer for the difference.  We take the loss.  Just to be clear, we do not like working for free or taking a loss on a job, but it happens.  

Another consideration to take into account is once the vehicle leaves a repair facility, the facility is ultimately responsible and liable for the safety of the vehicle and the safety of the driver(s) and passenger(s) in that vehicle.

Liabilty is the primary reason some facilities are viewed as &quot;difficult&quot; to work with by the insurance companies.  We do not want to be liable or accountable for an inproper/imcomplete repair that is written or pushed by the insurance company.  We offer a Limited Lifetime Workmanship Warranty and our reputation is at stake.

We do not hire cheap labor and we do not hire inexperienced labor.  Our estimators are also certfied technicians.  They can write an accurate estimate and can competently repair a vehicle as well.  I have known very few competent estimators that work for the insurance companies.  Most do not have the knowledge to properly repair a vehicle to its pre-accident condition.  All they know is what they see on the outside (the cosmetics).  Most of them have never worked on a vehicle in any capacity and that is why disagreements between the collision repair shops and insurance companies ensue.

Who do you want writing an estimate for repair on your vehicle?  Someone that is qualified to repair it or someone that has never even turned a wrench?  Who do you want repairing your vehicle?  A facility that is qualified, pro-active and accountable; or a facility that is seen as agreeable by the insurance company?  There are a lot of reputable facilities out there that do high quality repairs, back their work and will go to bat for the consumer that are not DRP&#039;s for insurance companies.

Best recommendation for finding a reputable collision repair shop is asking your mechanic who he or she would send their car to.  You are always welcome to ask your agent for a referral, but I would phrase it like this, &quot;Have you ever been in an accident?  If the answer was yes, then ask him/her &quot;who did you trust to repair your car and were you happy with the repairs?&quot;  

We repair vehicles for agents and claims estimators all the time that work for insurance companies we are not a DRP for.  I think that speaks novels.

Thank you and please drive responsibly.   

Just because a shop is a DRP (direct repair provider) for an insurance company does NOT guarantee a better repair.  Sometimes, it just means that they are contracted with the insurance company to offer a lower labor rate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To whomever may read this comment:</p>
<p>Amber is absolutely correct in her presentation of facts.  I work for a collision repair facility that is considered to be one of the finest and most reputable collision repair facilities in the nation.  We cannot, nor do we want to be a direct repair for all insurance companies.  Some insurance companies are not looking out for the interest of their customers, they are only looking to make a profit and that is their primary M.O./concern.  </p>
<p>Naturally, collision repair facilities are looking to make a profit as well.  What concerns me is an insurance company that tries to make a profit is seen as business-minded, but a collision repair shop that tries to make a profit is seen as crooked?  All reputable businesses are started with the intention of being profitable and prosperous.  </p>
<p>We are never in the habit of holding a vehicle hostage.  Unfortunately, more often than not, we are shorted payment on the bill by certain insurance companies we are not contracted with.  We do not bill the customer for the difference.  We take the loss.  Just to be clear, we do not like working for free or taking a loss on a job, but it happens.  </p>
<p>Another consideration to take into account is once the vehicle leaves a repair facility, the facility is ultimately responsible and liable for the safety of the vehicle and the safety of the driver(s) and passenger(s) in that vehicle.</p>
<p>Liabilty is the primary reason some facilities are viewed as &#8220;difficult&#8221; to work with by the insurance companies.  We do not want to be liable or accountable for an inproper/imcomplete repair that is written or pushed by the insurance company.  We offer a Limited Lifetime Workmanship Warranty and our reputation is at stake.</p>
<p>We do not hire cheap labor and we do not hire inexperienced labor.  Our estimators are also certfied technicians.  They can write an accurate estimate and can competently repair a vehicle as well.  I have known very few competent estimators that work for the insurance companies.  Most do not have the knowledge to properly repair a vehicle to its pre-accident condition.  All they know is what they see on the outside (the cosmetics).  Most of them have never worked on a vehicle in any capacity and that is why disagreements between the collision repair shops and insurance companies ensue.</p>
<p>Who do you want writing an estimate for repair on your vehicle?  Someone that is qualified to repair it or someone that has never even turned a wrench?  Who do you want repairing your vehicle?  A facility that is qualified, pro-active and accountable; or a facility that is seen as agreeable by the insurance company?  There are a lot of reputable facilities out there that do high quality repairs, back their work and will go to bat for the consumer that are not DRP&#8217;s for insurance companies.</p>
<p>Best recommendation for finding a reputable collision repair shop is asking your mechanic who he or she would send their car to.  You are always welcome to ask your agent for a referral, but I would phrase it like this, &#8220;Have you ever been in an accident?  If the answer was yes, then ask him/her &#8220;who did you trust to repair your car and were you happy with the repairs?&#8221;  </p>
<p>We repair vehicles for agents and claims estimators all the time that work for insurance companies we are not a DRP for.  I think that speaks novels.</p>
<p>Thank you and please drive responsibly.   </p>
<p>Just because a shop is a DRP (direct repair provider) for an insurance company does NOT guarantee a better repair.  Sometimes, it just means that they are contracted with the insurance company to offer a lower labor rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber Desmet-Gama</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amber Desmet-Gama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A customer should never be caught in between the insurance company and the body shop, but realistically it happens.

We advise our customers not to settle for a minimum repair, in the end only benifiting the Insurance Company, Not their investment.

We also bring to their attention if their insurance company has short-commings upfront.


In some instances the insurance company that is representing a claim may have a different opinion on the repair and refinish procedures performed on the vehicle.  As a Bodyshop, we respect their opinion, but we are the professionals performing the repairs and detail procedures.  Those procedures are guidelines given from the vehicle manufacturer to ensure that the vehicle is retured to pre-accident condition.

The customer pays their premium, no questions asked, each month on time, faithfully.
So when the body shop requests repair procedures, detail procedures, labor rates, etc.   Why should the insurance company go out of their way to nickel and dime? Why should they cut corners, bottomlines, etc...

Bodyshops do not work to benifit the insurance company, and  customers should not accept anything but the correct and proper procedures when repairing any vehicle.  In many cases, the bodyshop is told by insurance companies that other shops do not ask for or charge for certain procedures. WHY WOULD ANYBODY WORK FOR FREE UNLESS THEY ARE NOT DOING A CORRECT REPAIR PROCEDURE?

The customer chooses the shop of their choice based on reputation, refferal , etc. They do so when they choose an insurance provider as well. The body shop wants to correctively repair their vehicle, warranty their repair, and be around long enough to have them again as a customer. Shouldn&#039;t that be an Insurance Companies top priority?......Customer Satisfaction]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A customer should never be caught in between the insurance company and the body shop, but realistically it happens.</p>
<p>We advise our customers not to settle for a minimum repair, in the end only benifiting the Insurance Company, Not their investment.</p>
<p>We also bring to their attention if their insurance company has short-commings upfront.</p>
<p>In some instances the insurance company that is representing a claim may have a different opinion on the repair and refinish procedures performed on the vehicle.  As a Bodyshop, we respect their opinion, but we are the professionals performing the repairs and detail procedures.  Those procedures are guidelines given from the vehicle manufacturer to ensure that the vehicle is retured to pre-accident condition.</p>
<p>The customer pays their premium, no questions asked, each month on time, faithfully.<br />
So when the body shop requests repair procedures, detail procedures, labor rates, etc.   Why should the insurance company go out of their way to nickel and dime? Why should they cut corners, bottomlines, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Bodyshops do not work to benifit the insurance company, and  customers should not accept anything but the correct and proper procedures when repairing any vehicle.  In many cases, the bodyshop is told by insurance companies that other shops do not ask for or charge for certain procedures. WHY WOULD ANYBODY WORK FOR FREE UNLESS THEY ARE NOT DOING A CORRECT REPAIR PROCEDURE?</p>
<p>The customer chooses the shop of their choice based on reputation, refferal , etc. They do so when they choose an insurance provider as well. The body shop wants to correctively repair their vehicle, warranty their repair, and be around long enough to have them again as a customer. Shouldn&#8217;t that be an Insurance Companies top priority?&#8230;&#8230;Customer Satisfaction</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jake, 
Great post, you clearly outlined a problem that does (unfortunately) crop up on occasion.  I would add, that when ever I had a vehicle owner that I knew was going to a shop that absolutely refused to negotiate, I always warned them ahead of time, and upfront, that there may be a problem, re: rates etc. and it would be their choice and responsiblity to pay that addition.

Also I have not seen an estimate written (in ten years or better) by an insurance company that doesn&#039;t say somewhere on it.  YOU MUST GET PRIOR APPROVAL FOR ANY AND ALL SUPPLEMENTS...So the shops &#039;should&#039; be talking with the adjuster prior to proceeding.....even if it&#039;s a rate difference.

Again...great job!

lori]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake,<br />
Great post, you clearly outlined a problem that does (unfortunately) crop up on occasion.  I would add, that when ever I had a vehicle owner that I knew was going to a shop that absolutely refused to negotiate, I always warned them ahead of time, and upfront, that there may be a problem, re: rates etc. and it would be their choice and responsiblity to pay that addition.</p>
<p>Also I have not seen an estimate written (in ten years or better) by an insurance company that doesn&#8217;t say somewhere on it.  YOU MUST GET PRIOR APPROVAL FOR ANY AND ALL SUPPLEMENTS&#8230;So the shops &#8216;should&#8217; be talking with the adjuster prior to proceeding&#8230;..even if it&#8217;s a rate difference.</p>
<p>Again&#8230;great job!</p>
<p>lori</p>
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